"China is a small country", said Aly Shady, President of International Water Resources Association with a smile.
"What did you say?" I can't believe my ears to hear these five words. "You say China is a small country?" "Yes, China is a big country in terms of population, but in terms of resources per capita, China is a very very small country. You people are living in the sky."
He is talking with a smile.
I met him the previous evening when I was attending the Stockholm Water Prize issuing ceremony where the Indian origin water management expert Professor Biswas was presented the prize by the Swedish Crown Princess Victoria. Because Mr Shady also sat by the journalist seat, I had a word with him and he told me that he had been to China many times and involved in China's Three Gorges and Diversion of Water from South to North. I said, "Do you think China's diversion of water from south to north is a good idea?". He said, yes.
Due to the time limit, I made appointment with him 9:30 the next day in front of the registration by the Congress Hall. But due to misunderstanding of the exact time and place, I counld find him. So after 20 minutes, I left. On the way back, I got his phone call and he said he waited for 20 minutes too. I said ok I will be there in 10 minutes. I walked fast so by the time I reached to the Congress Hall, sweat just dropped out of my face and neck. But I was glad that I could make the interview.
Mr. Shady said when you look at China, you have to look at it through the past, present and the future.
"We have expected the current situation in China five years ago. We also predicted five years ago that China will have a huge amount of import of grain and it all happened. But it is a bit different from what we had visioned."
"What we predicted that China will import 20% of its grain from abroad and even think of the quantity and the ships holding it, it will be crowded in China's ports, another picture will be created in China. Think of it, 70 million tens of grain." said Dr. Shady.
"However, it didn't happen as we expected. I mean China indeed imported 70 million tons of grain, but it seems not many people feel it. China has quietly got the grain from around the world and it was transported to China without disturbing anyone else. Why? Because China has spent cash and paid immediately to the sellors in full. Now China works for 6 hours, and it will be enough for China to buy 20% of its grain supply from around the world. At the same time, Chinese crops have all become cash crops such as orange, banana and others. While I was in Canada, I can buy Chinese fruits."
"China is developing at an unprecedented speed and no one knows what's the reason, it is just a miracle. But I think China is on its right track, there are some mistakes, but there isn't major mistake. Your policies are independent and your people are independenet. Look at Mexico, Malaysia, the Phillipines, and so on, they must listen to America, they don't have their independent policy. This is something the Chinese should be proud of."
I was happy to hear all these too.
"If you look at China, you have to look at the history. Think of the western world and even Japan. China has been invaded and under the war for about 50 years or even longer before your liberation. While the western countries were accumulating wealth from the war, Chinese people were exploited and robbed."
"But with the Communist Party and Mao Zedong and his generation of leaders, they have founded new China. They were not afraid of America or other imperialist, but they were under pressure. China was poor and there were no infrastructure. So you built up some infrastructure while the west was developing much faster throught the past 50-70 years. Japan picked up after the war again. And it experienced the peak time in the 1980s and early 1990s because of its export and trade."
Chinese leaders knew the past war and had a lot of old memories in war, so their mindset was a bit in war time too. That's why you experienced cultural revolution. Many people born in new China didn't know the war and didn't experience the war, but they experience revolution and they wanted to rebel in anything. That in ideology or in thought have liberated Chinese people. They don't have historic burden to carry. So they concentrate on economic development after Deng Xiaoping came to power.
It is a new generation of leaders who know the country's problem and use all their strength to develop.
Some people blame Tiananmen incident in 1989, but I see it as any accident in any country, it is just a small interlude in the long history. Look at the main directions of China. Chinese people have never before been so proud of being a Chinese. Think of the time before 1980s, people don't like to say they are Chinese and Chinese are not well respected in other countries. But now many young people will be proud to say they are Chinese. They don't have any burden in their mind and they have learnt new skill and knowledge and they are eager to put it into practice and what they want to do is to work hard and enjoy life.
Your current leaders have experienced cultural revolution and they know what is good and what is bad, what is right and what is wrong, they are clear in their mind and they have clear goals in their mind too. They are determined to do what they want to do and they don't care what the American say or what others do. This makes them very efficient and make China efficient in development.
So with the liberation of the mindset, China can make its own decisions according to its own reality.
China has a good diplomatic policy and create a good environment for China's development. China tries to make friends with all countries in the world and never makes enemies for themselves.
So I like to say that China has made some small mistakes if it causes environment or social problems, but there is no major mistake.
Problems are unavoidable. If you want to develop, it surely will affect the environment, but if you pay a balance attention, these problems will be solved. And your government knows what they are doing and what problems they have, and with this mindset, they will find ways to correct their mistake.
Ok, so with these backgrounds, we come to see China's social problems. You have the political strength and economic strength, then you will be able to solve the social and environmental problems. The current policy of building new socialist countryside is one of the right ways to solve the social problem.
And as long as you create a dynamic and vital market, the capital and knowledge will naturally move to the area and the problem will be solved.
"As for water diversion, my opinion is if you have the capability to do it, you can do it because you need water, there is no other choice to do it. "
"China is a great country". He is really happy to talk about China and he had good friendly relations with Chinese ambassador in America and Canada and Chinese ministers in water conservancy.
I asked about his history and how he is related to China. Mr Shady told me that he began to know about China in the 1960s when he was just a small boy.
At that time, Chinese premier Zhou Enlai, and Egyptian Presidnet Niheru, they all stood for the developing countries.
Born in 1948, Mr. Shady read a story about Chinese boys reading with their brails being tied up to the roof. He saw a picture which showed that if the boy was sleepy, he would feel the pain from the hair tied to the roof, so he had to be awake all the time and studied dilligently. This was the famous ancient story of "Tou Xuan Liang, Zhui Ci Gu."
Once a Chinese delegation visited Cairo, and Mr Shady went to visit an exhibition about China. He was looking for that picture about the boy reading. After a long time, he was disappointed that he couldn't find that picture. So at the end of the visit, he raised his hand and asked the teacher that he wanted to see that picture. But the teacher thought he would like to see a Chinese in person. So they asked the Chinese delegation and an old lady came to talk with him,saying "ni hao." He learnt how to say Ni hao, meaning hello immediately, but he felt similarly disappointing as he didn't see that boy. The next day, he was famous in the school because he asked the questions and the teacher praised him a lot. From then on, he has always paid attention to things in China and relations with China.
He studied engineering at university and joined the Nile river project. But later, he felt not very happy in Egypt, so he went to study in Canada and then became Canadian citizen. He is working half time for Canadian government and half time for International Water Resources Association based in the US.
So he is communting between the two countries.
To conclude, he said the Chinese people now have a new psychology, and they can take the risk. Young people are easy to take the risk. And you will adjust the policy when necessary, don't fight, but look for opportunity. They understand Europe and US more than Europe and US understand China.
They have a sense of purpose and determination.
He used Napoleon's famous sentence, "China is a sleeping lion, don't wake it up. And when it wakes up, it will shake the world."
What he said 200 years ago, not has almost turned to be true.
Now everybody knows China and some even feel scared. Mr. Shady said it is unavoidable that the west didn't like to see China to rise up too quickly. So no matter the Belgrade Chinese embassy bombing or the airplane incident in Hainan Island, it is all about a test of strength of China and see how you will react. And Chinese leaders stood the test and didn't make any war with anybody. They concentrate on development, it turned out to be right.
If you have any problem, you will find the solution through the development. Continue restructuring whenever necessary.
Talking about energy and water, Mr Shady said you can use market to guide people to use renewable energy and nuclear energy. In the future, or anytime when the technology is very mature,you can use energy to desalinate sea water and that will solve your water problem.
There is mistakes but no major mistake, the Chinese policy is a sound policy and if any problem you can fix it.