Majeres' Musings

Apr 18, 2005 at 20:11 o\clock

too sick again

by: majere

sick again and might not be able to post for a few days......

maje

Apr 17, 2005 at 03:00 o\clock

Ok back to politics

by: majere

Mood: delighted at watching kenny rodgers pitching
Listening to: the wife watching a movie while watching and listening to the game

Some musings about helping the NDP with S. David Frankel's mischief.  Mischief is the only criminal charge I think he can be nailed with.....goddamn it.  I wanted something more substantial.

The Cons still cannot call an election.  If I read the latest polls right we are looking at early fall if Harper thinks he has a "majority locked in".

In the first couple of weeks of the Fall sitting of Parliament.  The Libs not wanting to answere any questions about the Gomery Inquiry release, will allow their government to be defeated.

They will throw the dice and hope.

Now, ....................... Jack and the NDP might be able to make a difference now.

Follow me here for a sec.

Jack brings out the Frankel scandel public with the info provided proving cannabis is legal.

The Frankel scandel goes all the way up to and including many MP's.  How?  Easy, they call in the RCMP to seize all the Libs MP's PC's which will have remenents of the due diligence that I have sent them.  Am I tipping them off by saying this....no.  They would not believe it anyway.  OK, it goes from Frankel through the Regional Assistant Atorney Genreals office to the Attorney Generals Office.  To, include the many Judges who, when presented with the due diligence, ignored it later, or bring in the corrupt judges sooner for effect.

Ok, so the Libs are screwed with more incompetance by not being able to control their own responisbilities with the Judicial Branch.  The immediate requiring of emptying jails for all cannabis prosecutions and the media which can't miss the thousands, ambarrass even more.  Just think of all those now freedom NDP votes.

More lack of Liberal faith.  Some votes go to the NDP as being seen as more competant now.

The Cons will jump on the Libs new scandel but will have to sidestep their use of the Not Withstanding Clause to re-criminalize cannabis.  More votes not for the Cons, not for the Libs incompetance under Martin, so the NDP by default.

The NDP attack the Cons as overturning Constitutional Rights which is scary.
The NDP attack the Libs as being even more corrupt and incompetant under Martin.

The NDP then, by default gain votes.

The NDP by not bringing out to the public the Frankel Scandel will stay the same.

The NDP have stated legalization before, so I think I can say, this is not that hard for their party to absorb.  They just have to remember to deflect all referances of  cannabis to the Cons wanting to overturn the courts and therefore personal rights and to blame the Libs for letting it happen in the first place and that the NDP are just sticking up for the Constitution.

Hopefully within the next couple of days to couple of weeks I will put together a package for them with the due diligence written at about a grade nine level so all the NDP members of Parliament can understand it.

My mused projection of the electoral outcome would then be a Lib minority with the NDP and Bloc playing the opposition with the Cons relegated to the "fifth" party.  Let me explain the Cons, they will have to state publicaly that they will use the "not withstanding clause" for not only ''same sex marriage", but now also to ''re-criminalize cannabis".  These TWO  mused uses of the "clause" will scare a lot of people to stick with the Libs and the NDP.

Muse the cons proven scary and agianst rights
Muse the libs as totaly incompetant
Muse the NDP making some nice strides for sticking up for personal rights.

cheers and enough ramblic musings  :)  majere

Apr 16, 2005 at 15:23 o\clock

Chris Buors tries to Justify Marc Emery 's Let seniors rot without healthcare with Martin Luther King undertones, and Jesus undertones..

by: majere

An Emery supporter tries to justify Marc Emery's let seniors rot without healthcare
My comments embedded as Rog: 


Dear Editor,

Buors:  The voters of Fort Langley-Aldergrove ought to seriously consider sending Marc Emery of the B.C. Marijuana Party to Victoria just to shake things up.

Rog:  Why?  In Buors eyes, I guess sending someone to the BC Provincial Legislature who wants seniors to rot away and die without healthcare is going to shake things up for who? The hatefull bigots?   Buors offers no facts as to how Emery is going to shake things up.  Not offering "facts" to the electorate and yet he wants the electorate to vote for Emery just because he says so?  Oh wait, in previous Emery writings, he does not expect to get any, or is that many votes?

Buors:  It seems to me that Marc is probably the first politician B.C.'ers have ever seen who told them the truth.

Rog:  Technically speaking, yes.  Removing a segment of society from healthcare will save money.  Using this "fallacy approach", one could say that by removing all whites from the healthcare system would save money also.

Buors:  That's the only tool Marc could possibly wield while he is willing to walk into hell on his glorious quest to right the unrightable wrong of drug prohibition.

Rog:  If being a hatefull bigot  bent of removing a segment of society from healthcare is his only "wielding glorious tool"...........  But wait, he is trying to associatie his hatefull bigotry to his fight against drug prohibition.  Not just cannabis prohibition.

Buors:  It takes a lot of nerve to walk in Marc's shoes.

Rog:  Yes it takes a lot of nerve to be a hatefull bigot who wants seniors to die off without healthcare.

Buors:  I doubt any of Marc's opponents will have the kind of passion Marc expresses in his "Impossible Dream" tenets. Marc is a true leader in every sense of the word.

Rog:  Oh oh, challenging his opponents on a feeling of passion, not facts.  He then throws in his Martin Luther King undertones here with leadership.

Buors:  "The truth," said Jesus, "shall set you free."

Rog:  Yes, I am sure some people out there are now free of Emery.  The Jesus undertones is just a subliminal psychological association (ploy).

Buors:  The truth will not make Mark Emery popular or get him elected, but at least he can have the serenity of a good night's sleep.

Rog:  Yes, I am sure the leader of the "black panthers" sleep well at night to.  This statement means nothing unless you want to associate it with a person who cannot associate with others feelings.

Buors:  Marc told the people of Fort Langley-Aldergrove what they needed to hear, rather than what he thought they wanted to hear. What a revolution in politics an attitude like than might start in Victoria or Ottawa!

Rog:  Here I guess Emery read every persons mind and then determined what they needed to hear, omniscience again.  But then again he offers only opinions based on no facts.  Then Buors goes on to state what a revolution it would create.  Yes, a revolution where hatred and bigotry rule.

Chris Buors
Winnipeg, Man.

Rog:  Sounds like Emery got Chris Buors to do some parotting of past opinions for Emery.  A total shithead in my opinion.

cheers :) majere

Of course I emailed the three below with a copy of the above.


chris_buors@yahoo.ca

marc@cannabisculture.com

editorial@langleyadvance.com


Apr 15, 2005 at 17:34 o\clock

Marc Emery Cannabis Culture another let senriors rot without healthcare justification. Genocide or hate crime?

by: majere

Another reply by Marc Emery  as to why he wants serniors to rot away without healthcare.

My comments embedded as Rog:

Here is answering a "scared" person on his Forum.

Quote:


Heck, if we tax the marijuana industry, we can generate enough yearly revenue to fund additional health care benefits for everyone!


Perhaps instead of making it an issue of the elderly living too long and taking up our resources, we could turn it into a "Tax marijuana and help pay for extended healthcare" stance. It could change the entire view on marijuana prohibition for our senior citizens, it would give another reason for them to pay attention and consider, since it would actually benefit them.

Personally, I don't want to live longer than I can take care of myself. I don't want to be a burden to anyone, and why live any longer if it's not a life that is my own?

I watched my grandmother suffer after my grandfather died and her health rapidly declined. She gave up, even if her body didn't right away. We dealt with more than one instance of her falling in the middle of the night and not using her emergency call button on purpose, laying there until someone found her the next day. She was ready to go, she didn't want to have to call someone for help anymore. Finally her body was ready, too, and she was at peace, after once again refusing to call for help.

Our current life expectancies are not natural. We have extended them through the use of unnatural means, and are taxing the resources of our planet as such. Something needs to change, or we will overpopulate ourselves right off the face of the earth.

Heather



Emery:  The truth is,  RogHow does he know if anyone is thinking not of the truth, so he reads everyones minds and is going to tell us the truth, lets see if he just states facts and lets us decide or if he just gives an opinion prescribed as the truth.  Emery:   legal marijuana would produce very little in the way of tax revenue, maybe $100 million (thats 100 million) or so a year.   Rog:  He has always stated "legalization with regulations like beers stores" previously.  Now he is saying legalization.  He has changed his stance to belittle the tax income available as a means of taking care of the medical system.  He does not state where he gets the 100 million from, yet from what I am aware of, there is heavy taxes on beer.  Emery:  Legal marijuana will grow in peoples backyards, greenhouses and like every legal agri product, it will be very inexpensive.   RogPreviously he has stated "with regulations" now he is finally again stating let it grow everywhere for anyoneEmery:  No legal produce is worth more than $25 a twenty five dollars a pound. If we could grow it in the backyard, pot would be worth very little, and domestic trade as measured in dollars will be meagre, becauuse we'd all have plenty from our back yard.  RogSo yes, taxes would be as minimal as parsly.  Emery:   Ending the drug war would save hundreds of millions in policing, courts, prosecutions, jail space,  RogOk, yes it would save money, throw it at healthcare.  Emery:   but the legalizing of pot would not make nearly the dent that ending the drug war would. RogAh, he wants all hard drugs not to be interfered with at all.  Cocaine and heroin inports would rise with market.  Perhaps he wants to tax the imports.  Emery:The cost of adding millions of Canadian older people to decades of expensive taxpayer paid operations, chronic care and prescription drugs is an expense beyond what anyone can imagine. Rog:  Here he is pitting the taxpayer against old now non taxpayers illiciting a subconcious hate.  He is also combining that with fear as he links it to his statement of "expense beyond what anyonwe could imagine.  Fear mongering with no facts to back it up.  Emery:  Already health Care in BC takes up 48% of the provincial budget,  Rog:  So he is saying this like it is a bad thing.  Why not pump it up a few more percentages.    Emery:  and those aren't 20 or 25 year olds in hospitals by and large, those are older & dying people being given another 180 days until the next expensive crisis.   Rog:  Fear mongering without facts, I go into a hostpital and I do not see mostly old people.  I go into ermerg and see all walks of life and ages as also each ward I visit.  He is lying plain and simple.


My "majere musings"
Marc Emery still has no excuse for his hate mongering in wanting all old people to die off without healthcare.

Is it a hate crime to want a certain segment of society to die off, or is it genocide?

cheers :) majere

Majere Musings fact.  Below is from his partys' platform.  This proves he is either lying above in his reply or is lying on his platform.  This is regarding the legalization and only 100 million versus legalization with regulation and the potential billions in tax revenue from the many license fees.   A LIAR IS A LIAR IS A LIAR.

snipped from platform site>
Prohibition is irresponsible social policy. What other legislation has failed so utterly to achieve its goals? What other legislation has repeatedly been denounced by government inquiry after government inquiry? What other law is opposed by a majority of the public? What other social policy requires taxpayers to watch government turn up its nose at substantial tax revenues, while wasting millions enforcing unjust laws? And government refuses to take accountability for these failures. Instead they urge us to do more of the same — to increase enforcement.
 
The BCMP believes in a legal, regulated market for the cannabis plant. This market will be overseen by the province — the federal government will not have jurisdiction. British Columbia’s regulatory regime will have several features:
 
  • Cannabis use will be completely legal for all persons over 16 years of age, as recommended by the Senate of Canada.
  • Commercial cultivation operations will require provincial licenses issued by the Ministry of Agriculture. As with any commercial agricultural operation, mass-production of cannabis will only occur in industrial areas or on farms. Commercial grow operations in dense residential areas will not be permitted. All cultivation facilities will be inspected regularly.
  • Personal and non-commercial cultivation in residential areas will be permitted. All indoor residential grow operations will require inspection and licensing by the Ministry of Community Services. Outdoor cultivation for personal use, or non-commercial distribution (including as the designated grower for a medical user), will not require licenses. Non-commercial cultivation includes cannabis grown for personal use (including immediate family), distribution for nominal profit to small groups of friends and medical users who have designated you as their grower, and cultivation of limited numbers of plants for purposes of trading and breeding.
  • Cannabis will be permitted to be sold in any licensed establishment. Licenses will be readily available and no one shall be denied a license as a result of a prior cannabis-related offence. The BCMP envisions cannabis being distributed through specialty stores, coffee shops and other outlets. <end snip.
Here is a quote from his Party platform at http://bcmarijuanaparty.com/main?page=bcmp/2005/ministry-of-health-services

stating quote "Legalizing and taxing the cannabis industry could generate some 2 Billion (TWO BILLION) a year in tax revenues. In 2004, the cost of operating the entire Vancouver Coastal Health Authority (serving over one million British Columbians) was just over 2 Billion. unquote

MORE SO CALLED ARITHMATIC LIES FROM EMERY.  FIRST 100 MILLION AND NOW 2 BILLION.

cheers  :) majere

Apr 15, 2005 at 15:59 o\clock

Marc Emery Cannabis Culture tries to justify his hate of old people with opinions and no facts.

by: majere

Here is another Emery reply from his Cannabis Culture Board.

More of the same.  You decide.
Majere. 
My comments embedded as Rog: 




quote:


This is a sensitive and complex issue. Perhaps those that no longer want to live should be allowed to die quickly rather than waiting for their bodies to slowly break down, however people that want to live should be able to do so without worrying that someone is going to cut off funding to thier care and leave them lying in their own shit until they starve to death. There is a limit to what care will be given as it is now, my grandmother's kidneys were failing and someone {doctor's} made the decision that it wasn't worth doing dialisis which shortened her life.

Overall there are many other area's where government could save money before cutting funding for old people's care.

Mark you may be right on certain points but I think you should focus on cannabis policy rather than potentially alienating voters sympathetic to cannabis legalization.




Marc Emerys' reply:

Emery:  Telling the truth always alienates voters. People wants soothsayers, not truthsayers. RogHiding ones bias under the guise of "truth" is an old politcal ploy as if you don't believe what I am saying as the truth, then you who do not believe me are obviously less intelligent and only believe in liesEmery:  "Voters" want something, thats why they go vote. RogTrue, all voters want to vote for the Party that represents their ideals, newsflash Emery, thats what democracy is all about, or, do you prefer a dictatorial government where you can dictate what people want?  Emery:  What they don't want is the truth. The truth is a hard reality with many disturbing and uncomfortable realizations. RogOmniscience again where Emery reads all and every voters mind then makes a statement based on omniscience.  I think its safe to say that most people want to hear the truth explained with ALL the facts presented so that they can make an informed decision, but I guess you don't.  Emery:  At election time, no one is talking about truth (except me), Rog:  I have not seen one fact that can be backed up, only genrealized opinions that lead to fear mongeringEmery:  they are talking about hates and wants and "I'm entitled to...", " gimme, gimme, gimme " and "punish those people " .  RogNo, that sounds exactly like Emrey spouting off with "I am entitled to old peoples money" and gimme, gimme that olds people money, and don't you just hate that the old people use up money that I and other young people could.

Emery:  Old people will absorb an unimaginably large amount of resources, RogPlease tell us what the unimaginable large amount of types of resources is in todays dollars and how it effects me versus just making a general uninformed statement to instill fear and dare I say a subliminal hate.  Emery:  that are VERY LIMITED, RogYou still have not told us how it is limited in the least, except of course you just stating it is so therefore it must be.  That does not make sense to me and my economic friends that I haveEmery:  for no purpose. Once you have lived a good life for 65 or 70 years,  RogThat is just your opinion of what a good life might mean to you, but not to me, not to my friends, not to my parents, so your opinion means nothing about explaining why you want old people to rot away in their homes, if they still have one or rot away on the streets with no healthcareEmery:  extending life with other people's money is indecent and immoral, RogA lie, your associating deficit spending started by Truedeau and missmanagmetn thereof with victims of bad government management of monies.  A hateful ploy of only giving half of the facts.  Emery:  when so many children die of disease, malnutrition, bad water, suffer bad schooling, when children's health is sacrificed.   RogNow using guilt to justify seniors rotting in the streets, does using guilt actually work these days???  Emery:  Spend the money on the young, it is a foolish & dangerous thiong to prop up old people. No good can come from it! The sacrifice of millions of young people for old people to live is obscene.  Rog:  Old people like Einstien and any other contributor to society as in your own words is that "no good can come from it" is obscene, hatefilled and ignorant.  Blaming the old on a poor segment of young can only be to instill hate.

Marc Emerys' true colours is hatred and ignorance.  And, my opinion is that he can't spin his way out of having senriors rotting in the streets.

majere

Apr 14, 2005 at 20:03 o\clock

Marc Emery the prince of rotting seniors, tries to justify the smell. Follow the money and his use of guilt.

by: majere

Mood: saving this before I mistakenly lose it
Listening to: very ill, take a while to go over his 4 replies

Quote:
Quote:

he doesn't expect to get votes!
I would love to hear the explanation.

Liberty and tolerance must be extended to all, especially the weak, otherwise freedom is a sham. Kinda like now.

I fear any analogies using health care that Marc wishes to make will be lost in a tide of fury and anger.

Emery:  As old people absorb more and more resources RogAs if the younger do not in school PC's and a wider selection of items for their discrtionary income produced by resources.  Emery:  , in the massive drugs they consume,  RogThere are many sick people that are not seniors that will not become productive members of society, does he mean these people to or just the old people?  Emery:  in the many different and very expensive operations for cancer,  RogI have a 1 year old niece, Mira, going through 2 years of cancer treatment, does he mean her as well, or just old people? Emery:  heart bypasses, Rog:  It is up to Emery to provide the facts for his statements but heart bypasses are mostly for people under 70, so linking heart bypasses to old people draining medical resources is a lie, or does he want young heart attack people to die tooEmery:   replacement hips, RogReplacing hips can change a chronic care person to a productive member of society, I guess he does not want to give people the chance to get back on their feetEmery:  chronic care, et., RogChronic care is a means of caring for people in their last days and ALL patients have the right to refuse treatment in Canada and die, something Emery fails to mention, so I assume he is only telling half a truth.  Emery:   a crisis of immense proportions looms. RogWithout listing facts as to what exactly causes this crisis.  A general statement to illicit fear without facts, let each individual decide.  Emery:  There is only a finite amount of tax resources. Rog:  No, tax money is fluid and can be changed with inflation deflation and various laws, Internatinal Bond issues, as well as debt reducing freeing up more monies.  Here he is telling another half truth to instill fear to the financially ignorant.  Emery:   If the number of people over 60 continues to swell rapidly and unsustainably,  RogHe is saying "if the number of poeple" as if there is a choice to stop the swell of old people.  To me in his words he wants the old people "sustained".  Emery:   then those resources old people consume RogNo mention of the resources young people consume as they consume a lot more than my grandparents every could have dreamed.  Emery:  (that are thought of to be an "entitlement") RogIt is an entitlement enshrined in our Rights it is not a thought.  More misleading through a choice of words to decieve.  Emery:  will take up a great amount of the tax burden as well as swell the debt. RogWho says that there must be debt financing?  He has no facts.  Why not attack the debt and defecit to free up the 30 billion debt interest payment per year.  He does not attack that nor show how to counter it to free up the money.  More fear mongering with no facts and no factual answeres as to how to counter it.  Emery:   Both debt and expanding consumption of resources Rog: Economically as the economy increasesEmery:   for old people,provided by taxes, robs the money available to be spent on child health care and their education. RogHere Emery is using guilt with the word "robs" and associates it with children, how is that for a guilt trip to guilt you into thinking his way versus supplying factual numbers?  Emery:  Budgets for special needs children are cut back substantially,  RogWhere and by how much?  Here he is using OmniScience to read every budget, making a general statement as if it were fact submitting no facts, maybe he does not know or does not want to discuss that particular issue and the associated factEmery:   schools are abysmal at educating,  Rog:  Please provide the facts with the world rankings, ah he expects us to take his word for it only because he says so.  Emery:  kids face neglect on several levels.  RogState the neglect at each level  please and let us decide on the facts.

Emery:  If you're over 70, you should have to be responsible for your own health care,  RogHe admits it again.  No healthcare for seniors, rott at home if you still have one.  Emery:   and many older people are well enouigh off to do that, and they can have whatever choice of care they want to throw their own money at. RogWhat percentage of seniors are well off?  I guess Emery wants those that can pay out of pocket to bankrupt themselves trying, then rot after getting thrown out onto the streets al la yankee styleOh yes, Emery says he wants their money, now maybe their cheap bankrupt homes as well for the young people.

Emery:  But many are like my father.  Rog:  oh oh, I feel a guilt trip or sad story to back up his prejudgice.  Emery:   At 75, incapacitated by a stroke. He was an Oak of a guy, best man I ever knew, robust, healthy, terrific gent. Ladies man. Never raised his voice. But when I was 16, he said his biggest fear in life was getting a stroke like his father and being unable to look after himself. He made me promise that if he ever got like that, " you have to do the right thing and put me out of that misery ". He was a navy man fighting on cruisers and destroyers in the Suez in World War two, from 1940 to 1945. He wanted to be buried at sea. Now for the last five years, someone is paid to wipe his ass and put up with his miserable hostility at still being alive. I had to explain to Dad in front of my family that I couldn't take him to Lake Huron and let him drown quickly (his wish)  Rog:  One sad example justifies his hatred of people 70 and over.  Why did not Emery care for his Dad?  Did he hate him to since he was 70 and over?  Some example Emery is setting, throw your old into a home and then critisize them for being thereEmery:   because it would taint all my future work if there was these sensitive legal issues about assisting in my father's death. RogA lie, he would not get into trouble and no one would even have to know about itEmery:  So he sits there miserable and helpless and hoping to die. He's surrounded by dozens of others who scream, wail, act in dementia, and he is so depressed (as are many in his chronic care facility) by still being here. Even his memories have mostly faded away, much to his sadness. And young people bravely but futily spend their lives trying to make Dad and others like him less miserable by giving them all lots of drugs (expensive), nurses, doctors, etc. My dad needs to be spoon fed. Is this how any of us believe we should live? RogEmery who states he has money lets his own father live like this?  With a son like this, who needs enemies.

Emery:  Imagine, 30 years from now, because we don't talk about dignified death,  Rog:  Omniscience again reading everyones mind.  I talk about it with my friends so he is lyingEmery:   because old people get very self-centred and want to live forever,  Rog:  So now he paints all old people as self centered for wanting to live.  Reading every persons old mind and reading that all of them are self centered is omniscience again.  No credability since that is impossible.  Emery:   damn the expense, RogNo, they paid their taxes all their life.  If you have a problem with that, take it up with the politicians that have managed the tax dollars not the old people who are the victoms of itEmery:  young people are going to be robbed by this enormous burden of millions of old people,  Rog:  Now he is trying to associate the negative word of "robbed" with young people from the old.  This technique is used in hate literature.  Emery:   consuming resources for decades after they have ceased to be self-sustaining.  RogOnce again no facts or factual numbers to back up his last statement.  There have to be some self sustaining 70 yr olds out there.  Fear mongering through an opinion of a general statementEmery:   One hundred years ago, the average age of death was 40! Now its 80. Surgery and drugs for old people is a frequent balm, of enormous expense.  RogAn enormous expense compared to what?  I think Einstien would disagree, or I think that I was glad he stuck around as long as he did for humanities sake.  What about Stephen Hawking and his brilliant mind but can only move his eyes.

Emery:  And theres no purpose to it. RogTo whatEmery:  Old people, hell, even someone my age, should be willing to accept death, RogWho says people have not accepted their own mortality?  Even if they do want to live.  Reading all minds again and making a statement from that???  Emery:  and not be a consumptive hog on these resources. Rog:  Calling old people names for wanting to live.  LOW.   Emery:  I knew a woman who had 7 hip replacements in 16 years! My god! I've met people with three valve by-pass operations. Its gluttony, self-centred arrogance of the old. Rog:  Ok I get it, you are all these bad names if you don't agree with Emery and are rotting or dead if you do.  Emery:  And it will create a dramatic inequity that will see the young more at war with the old in years ahead. RogNo, not if we teach everyone tolerence of all human beings, not preach hate.  Emery:  I'm just the harbinger of arithmatic reality that cannot be avoided. Rog:  You provided no math and your reality is based on hate.

I found this rather enlightening, my opinion is that he is a hate mongerer of old people.

cheers :) majere
roger m roeder

Apr 13, 2005 at 17:45 o\clock

Marc the narc Emery wants people 70 and over to rot away in their homes without healthcare.

by: majere

Mood: better now
Listening to: yanks covering up their mad cow findings

Marc the narc Emery of Cannabis Culture shows his true colours.
He wants old people to rot away without health care.
He wants people 70 and over to die so younger people can use the money.
How is that for wanting a segment of society gone?
Read the following, he is directly quoted.
I can hardly wait to see how he spins out of this one.

Marc Emery
B.C. Marijuana Party,
Fort Langley-Aldergrove.

B.C.'s Prince of Pot is bringing his message to Fort Langley-Aldergrove - and not everyone is going to be impressed.

by Leanna Jantzi

The leader of the B.C. Marijuana Party has some hard opinions of Langley residents, and some radical ideas for pot, education, and healthcare reform.

And he's not scared to share them.

Langley is filled with "old people who are intolerant and bigoted and hate young people," and those old people support marijuana prohibition, said Marc Emery.

As well, the outspoken pot advocate said the public education system needs to be abolished and tax money should not be spent on seniors' healthcare.

Emery, who lives in Vancouver's Coal Harbour, is running in the Fort Langley-Aldergrove riding in the upcoming provincial election.

He doesn't expect to win a seat in Victoria, but he does expect to stimulate debate. "I like to think I'm stirring people's intellectual consciousness and perhaps their consciences, to boot," he said.

The founder of the BCMP is not concerned publication of his harsh criticisms of riding residents will alienate him from the community.

"If you write it accurately," he said in a recent interview with the Langley Advance News, "I shouldn't tick off the intelligent, thinking people of Langley; they should be in agreement with me because they've observed the same phenomena - won't they?

"After all, bigots rarely recognize themselves in the mirror, so I don't expect any kind of acknowledgement from them, except for hostility."

Emery, 47, isn't a newcomer to the political scene. He's run for civic, provincial, and federal seats in B.C. and Ontario.

He's also an old-hand at social activism. He's been sent to jail to support the right for stores to open on Sunday in Ontario, went to court to strike down Canada's obscenity laws, and has led tax resistance to government-funded events.

The publisher and editor of Cannibas Culture Magazine and owner of Emeryseeds.com and pot-tv.net is best known in B.C. for his public and vocal stand on the legalization of marijuana.

The former bookstore owner has come to Langley to face his arch enemy, B.C. Solicitor General and current Liberal MLA for Fort Langley-Aldergrove Rich Coleman.

Emery's first public foray into Langley was at the recent marijuana forum hosted by Langley MP Mark Warawa [Panel blasts pot law, April 1, Langley Advance News].

After being uninvited from the forum panel, he showed up to voice his opinion anyway, and was met with the "raw hatred of the seniors" there.

"Old people like complacency and conformity," Emery said, "and they don't want anything to change in their community, and Langley is perhaps the most embarrassing example of it, because I saw more ignorance and more hatred vented at that meeting by largely white seniors than I've ever seen anywhere else in the province."

Emery does't like seniors' healthcare, either. He is advocating a system in which no tax money is spent on hospitalization of anyone over the age of 70.

"Old people are the biggest welfare recipients of our medical system," he said. "We spend far too much of our taxpayers' money on a rapidly growing population of old people. We're spending lots of money keeping _ many many millions of old people _ alive when it would be much more honourable to let them die in a dignified way."

Emery has ideas for education as well. He wants children aged five to 16 to have their own tutors for four hours a day, followed by two hours of supervised activity of their choosing.

"We should abolish this cold, heartless architecture that we have in this school system where we have built these cold, unloving buildings with unionized teachers that basically preach conformity and allow this bullying _ to go on and intimidate our young people," he said.

Emery's and his party's main platform is the legalization of marijuana under state control - just like the production, sale, consumption, and taxation of alcohol.

Legalization of marijuana, he said, would delete the criminal component and its associated costs.

"We've manufactured crime," Emery said.

More and longer jail terms "raise the price the marijuana," he said. "Legalizing marijuana would totally repress the market."

The final outcome of the May 17 election is not his ultimate goal - societal change is: "It doesn't matter about the vote. It matters about changing people's minds, because were talking about the integrity of our society in the future."

roger m roeder:  Marc the narc Emery can rot in hell.  A person who wants a segment of society ignored and by default removed can only be called a hate crime.

Apr 13, 2005 at 02:05 o\clock

Jack Layton and Marc Emery in cahoots?........ I will try to follow the money here

by: majere

Mood: don't know
Listening to: my exhaust fan in the distance

Last election Marc Emery was all over Jack Layton and the NDP.  Jack said back then that he would strive for legalization of cannabis.  Marc even had NDP fliers made up with a cannabis leaf on it.

Ok fast forward to present.  Just heard from Alison Myrden on another forum state that Libby Davis of the NDP said that they might consider a 5 plant limit with regulations.

Now Marc the narc Emery has a succesfull seed business............. and money.
Now I am sure Jack's NDPcould use a little donation.

Now look sideways at the point of view from a grower.  No grower in his right mind grows all his plants from seeds all the time.  Follow me here.  Growing from seeds takes a lot of time and wasted space as you do not know how many seeds will germinate and how many of those seeds will turn into female plants.  Male plants are garbage.  Growers grow out there seeds selecting the best females to be used as "mother plants".  Mothers are used to take snippings from and are called clones.  These clones are very quickly rooted, then vegatated, then finally flowered.

Do you see the problem yet?

There are over 200 very good strains out there.  Nobody just grows one strain.  Everybody keeps mothers.  Mothers would count as part of the 5 plant limit.  Having 5 to 10 mothers is normal for medical users and recreational growers alike.

Now follow the money.  To be able to grow out your 5 plant limit you have to start from over 10 seeds per crop.

Who provides seeds ......... you guessed it, Marc the narc Emery.  Who is stating the 5 plant limit ........ you guessed it ....  Jack Layton leader of the NDP who spent much time with Marc last election.

The 5 plant limit discourages time savings mothers of known qualities and forces one to use unknown quality seeds.

Follow the business mans money to the politician mans party.

cheers :) majere

Apr 12, 2005 at 20:04 o\clock

The Prime Minister of Canada open letter to liberals ........ My comments embedded

by: majere

Mood: Happy
Listening to: Politics with my No. 2 Dum Don.

My comments embedded throughout Martins' letter.


OTTAWA (CP) — Text of Prime Minister Paul Martin’s open letter to Liberals:

Dear Liberal friend:

Martin:  In recent days, testimony at the Gomery Commission has captured a great deal of public attention. RogHere he starts out with a truth to show credability, watch out below.  Martin:  It has also given rise to allegations about the Liberal party itself and, by extension, all of us who are members.  RogIt does not taint all Liberals as Liberal backbench MP's must only tow the Party Line buzz phrases and are of course kept out of caucus decisions.  Martin:   I felt it was important to write you on this subject and share my perspective and my pride in all of you as Liberals and activists.  RogThis last statement lays out that Martin is only going to give his thoughts, not facts, and pump up the Liberals with his pride.  Thoughts and patting the party on the back.

Martin:  As leader and prime minister,  RogHere he has to tell people that as Prime Mininster he is also a leader.  He has to tell people that he is a leader.  Martin:   I want party members everywhere to remember RogI guess some Party members have forgotten and that he is/was aware of them.  Martin:  that it was this Liberal government that established the Gomery Commission — precisely in order to see that anyone who might have used the Liberal name to profit from national unity would be identified and punished.  RogAll the Adscam transactions took place after the seperatist crisis vote according to CFRB 1010, not during, or prior, surprise, surprise.  Here Martin tried to tie into the unity battle to state that the end justified the means, oooops didn't work.  Martin:  Similarly, if there are those who abused our party’s trust by using their position or their association with it, they have done a terrible disservice to the people of Canada and the members of our party.  RogOf course, they got caught so Martin has to state that as a matter of fact.

Martin:  Like all Liberals and all Canadians, RogOmniscience, he can read every single persons mind and answere for them.  He never will speak for me and my friends, and that is a fact.  So he is lying.  Martin:  I’m offended by what I’ve heard in recent testimony. If even part of it turns out to be true, it is abhorrent to us all.  RogHere he is reading every single mind of every single person in Canada and telling them that he speaks for them.   I personally  am  not  offended,   I am proud of what I have recently heard.  Another LIE by Martin.

Martin:  Public life is the highest service to which one can commit and the Liberal party must embody the highest of ethical standards. This is my determined view, just as I know it is yours.  RogOnce again reading every single mind and telling them what to think......as he thinks.  The highest service to which one can commit is in the defence of ones Country, not some lying politician.  He just proved that his service is more important than the "grunt" in the field overseas.

Martin:  To those who have watched recent testimony, I say simply this is not the way politics should be done.  RogHere he is telling the truth to lend credability to this letter.  Martin:   Most certainly, this is not the way we do politics in the Liberal party.  Rog:  He knows no-one has been convicted yet so he can sprout "alleged", and since no one has been prosecuted yet he can get away with his last statement.......technically.

Martin:  Canadians are looking for someone to step forward and to be accountable for cleaning up this mess and as prime minister and Liberal leader, I accept that responsibility.  Rog:  Chest thumping, the Liberals investigating and cleaning up after Liberals.  Will the majority of the public buy into it?  I know I don't.

Martin:  In fact, as my first act in office, on Dec. 12, 2003, I cancelled the sponsorship program. RogWhy and what made him do that if it was not bad news?  Martin:  I made sure that those implicated were removed from their positions as crown corporation executives. The government has also filed a lawsuit against 19 defendants, including several communications companies and their directors, to recover $41 million. And of course, it was this Liberal government that appointed Justice Gomery. With his conclusions in hand, I will act swiftly and surely to ensure those who did wrong face the full consequence of their actions.  RogTo me he has only stalled and only used window addressing when forced, to me all his actions are opposition re-actions.

Martin:  As Liberals, these challenging times will also give us an ideal opportunity to show Canadians our true values and ethics. Rog:  I believe truly that Martin has shown his charactors.  Martin:  It is the Liberal party that believes in the good that government can do, that has stood at every important moment in our nation’s history to fight for a united country and that has delivered to Canadians the strongest economy and best quality of life anywhere in the world.  RogIt is published that Canada is not number one by the UN I believe.  The Liberal Party refused to acknowledge Court Orders Kreiger and Parker.  The Prime Minister lies again. His views are subjective and not facts.  He is obviously confused between the two or is intentionally misleading.

Martin:  It is these values, expressed through the policies we pursue that tell the true story of what the Liberal party stands for and what it will fight for in the future.  Rog:  To me I have seen him promise one thing and do another no matter how he words his spin.  Other people might feel the same wayMartin:   Together we have made great strides to strengthen public health care by finding ways to lower the times that Canadians have to wait for heart surgeries and cancer treatments. Rog: I am going out on a limb here and say that those wait times dropped for whatever reason and that he is making this last statement technically true but is trying to take credit for itMartin:  We have taken steps to revitalize Canada’s cities and communities, and to preserve our natural environment. We are working to build a child care system on which Canadians can depend.  RogTaking steps and working could mean just creating a "file" and passing it around amongst their desks'.  He lists no benefits to each city at this time, and he lists no steps already created to be closer to child care.  These are empty statements, that can be technically true.

Martin:  In other words, this Liberal government is keeping its promises to Canadian taxpayers.  RogHere he is telling us what we think AGAINMartin:   While the Gomery inquiry finishes its job, we must continue to do ours. RogHe is saying this like some MP's just went home and do nothing  Martin:  Most important of all, we must be proud of who we are, the good we’ve done and the good we will continue to do in the future. That is why I am — like you — so proud to be a Liberal.  RogOh, this is where he says he is proud of ALL Liberals and does not state that he is not proud of the criminal liberals.

Sincerely,

Prime Minister Paul Martin

Ok, what I get out of his letter is that he is trying to tell us what to think, if we don't think like him we are not a good proud Liberal.

Now my humble opinion is that he is a liar.

cheers :) majere

Apr 12, 2005 at 17:03 o\clock

Marc "the narc" Emery on his website. Parsed. And yes, I did use "the narc" (which is known Canada wide from those of us who have followed his writings and have determined) to set the table.

by: majere

Very quick with proof reading later.
My comments embedded as, " Rog: "

Clipped from Cannabis Culture>
Emery:  Marijuana Parties will never do very well.  Rog:  he supports a loser.      Emery: No one (and I mean no one) gives any money to Marijuana Parties anywhere except me, Marc Emery. Period.   Rog:  I guess all those small contributors of 5 dollars here a couple of bucks there, some graphics for free signs do not count according to Emery, I guess he does not like the little peoples contributions.  Emery:  I fund them all.  Rog:  Here Emery is making a generalized statement once again that all those people that helped out when they could mean nothing to him.   Emery:  That is why there is virtually no federal Marijuana Party of Canada because when we supported the NDP in the last federal election, that ended all the financial support for the MPoC. Now they have none and virtually no organization.   Rog:  The Marijuana Party of Canada was not democratic, you could not elect a dynamic leader.  The leader did nothing but fight off democratic intentions from people who actually cared as in John Turmel.  John audio taped the meeting and if you run a search on John Turmel you can read what happened.  They just cancelled the Leaders Election Meeting when John Turmel showed up with more votes.  I guess they wanted a dictatorial leader for life (Marc the narc Emerys best friend)  This is one of the main reasons no one helped.  The Party was dictated from the top down, period.

Emery:  And we can't get candidates.  Rog:  The lack of organization and the prevention of those who seriously wanted to lead and help were not invited in to the party and this prevented any credability to attract candidates.   Emery:   Anyone with a mainstream job or mainstream profile who agrees with our cause will nontheless NOT run for us. They feel they will be investigated, fired, scrutinized, ostracized. Rog:  That is using just generalizations painting everyone with the same brush.  If the Party was properly organized it would and could have fought under the Charter of Rights to be a part of and run for any political party one wants without fear of prosecution.  He does not mention that the law protects them.    Emery:  Wives get furious. Rog:  Using a generalization that all loved ones, but here he is using women for more effect, that all get furious at their spouses political aspirations.   Emery:   Growers won't give us money or votes because they need prohibition to make money and they all know it.  Rog:  There were growers on HIS site that proclaimed loud and clear that they were voting for the marijuana Party, I guess Emery thinks they mean nothing.  EmeryThey are no better than cops in regard to legalization or electoral change.  Rog:  So all those growers that say they are voting for him are now cop-like.  Or does he mean the Triads, Angels etc.  are no better than cops in his eyes.  So now he is trying to look like he is stepping out on a limb to prove how tough he is even if he is a target........looking for sympathy I say.   Emery:  Teachers can't run for us. Rog:  Yes teachers can run for the Party, they are protected by law.  Emery:  Lawyers, parents, growers, smokers, bankers, cops, court workers, jailers, bus drivers, and on it goes, none of them can run for us because they fear they will be raided, urine-tested, lose their kids, get fired, etc.  Rog:  Who said that any of these would have to ingest cannabis just to run for the Party????  Who says that a Warrant could be had for a raid on a non-ingestor/grower but feels that they should run for the party???   Emery:   And maybe its true, Rog:  He just gave himself a way out of his last statement, a cheap disclaimer of "I don't know".   Emery:   probably not but compare the risk vs. the reward and it doesn't make sense to all but the bravest (or those with nothing to lose).   Rog:  What risk if you do not ingest or grow but believe cannabis should be legal.  Here Emery paints himself as "brave" since he has his condo and business to lose, hence his part of the statement that says "or those with nothing to lose".  A sad attempt of the use of the bravery brush.

Emery:  The NDP has sold us out at the legislative level as even Libby Davies says she'll consider mandatory minimums for growers in committee deliberations. The NDP is in fact made up of the cannabis culture but they will sell us down the river, inexplicably since the bed-rock conservative vote will never go the NDP. Prohibitionists will vote conservative or even liberal, they will never vote NDP. But the NDP won't embrace the pot issue in any public way.  Rog:  Yes the NDP sold out the cannabis community and lied.  Alyson Myrdem who was a NDP running candidate even sold us out and she was not at the legislative level as stated above in Emerys statement.  Alyson and Emery are friends and I guess he did not want to hurt her feelings even though towed the NDP party line.

Emery:  2005 will be a bleak year in an increasingly frightening scenario whereby the marijuana community is increasingly going to face more prohibition. Rog:  How does he know or is he just guessing??   Emery:  We are in a unique and disturbing position because all the marijuana people with money (except me) want more prohibition.   Rog:  All those small time contributors don't count anymore in his statements and therefore thoughts.  Emery:  As risk increases, so will prices.  Rog:  He has not stated any risks so now he is fear mongering to galvanize the troops around him as saviour.  Emery:  The regulated & taxed legal environment I promote Rog:  Note how he clearly does not state legalization.  Emery:  is clearly undesirable to growers, cops, moralists, organized crime gangs, ethnic crime gangs, the school establishment, the legal establishment, the judicial establishment, the media establishment. Rog:  Generalizations of tarring everyone with the same brush versus pointing out the biased or ignorant in each group.  Emery:  Not because it wouldn't produce a better world, it would. It just doesn't deliver the self-interest of those establishments. Prohibition benefits all those outfits cited above.  Rog:  It benefits his seed and rag business by keeping competition from coast to coast to coast from opening up.  Emery:   Ending prohibition only benefits all individuals and the social system itself. And we always get screwed. Rog:  His last statement is to ellicit sympathy as in "feel sorry for us".  Emery:  As long as its just me propping everything up (as is literally the case in Canada),  Rog:  Can Emery blow his horn any louder?????  Emery:  then kill me/neutralize me Rog:  Another, this is my whole life and if I can't have it anymore kill me is just one of those supreme attention getters as in suicide notes that try to ellicit guilt.  Emery:  and its over for legalization promotion in Canada. Rog:  Thats a lie, ask John Turmel who is leading Most of the main court cases in Canada, across Canada for FREE as in no gain what so ever to himself.  Emery:  And I've done a pretty good job in 10 years, doubling the number of Canadians into a majority who want to end jail sentences for pot. Rog:  Taking credit for common sense, but cannot state legalization, just something that cannot be proven.  Emery:  But the forces of our enemies have coalesced into a giant self-serving monolith that is not affected by reason or compassion and we are on the precipice of a more severe and hurtful prohibition.  Rog:  Ending with fear to galvanize his troops around him and make everyone else who does not think exactly like him the enemy.

Rog:  well that was fun.  Just run a search on John Turmel for proof that emery acts narc like and deserves the name.

PS.  Who else pleads guilty right away and does 3 months in jail while others during that time fought and won (over 4000), if not to lend credability to those cops and politicians that he supposedly hates????   Krieger and Parker have already proven cannabis laws do not exist.....just waiting for the courts and government to get their act together and figure out how to announce it without looking bad and losing voters.

Look at the facts, read the Court Orders, the Court transcripts, John Turmels site has perfomed all the due dilligence.

cheer all  :)  majere

Apr 12, 2005 at 15:19 o\clock

April 8 to April 10 Ipsos-Reid Poll

by: majere

Judgeing from below, the Cons and Libs would be fighting for a minority win if an election were held today.

The Harperites (Cons) cannot pull the pin.  Harper needs a majority to impliment his ideals without Parliament obstruction.

The Martinites (Libs) see this as a good thing as this buys them time to spin their way out.  So they are happy.

The Jack Shit Party (NDP) still do not count.

The Greens, never have counted in Canada.

Ipsos-Reid Poll latest for CTV and The Globe and Mail newspaper

Nationally

Libs  27
Cons  30
NDP  19
Bloc  12
Green  7


Swing voter Ontario

Libs  34
Cons  32
NDP  19
Green 10

SEE BELOW FOR ORIGINAL NEWS ARTICLE (CTV.CA NEWSTAFF)

The Liberal Party has plunged to the lowest level of support from Canadians in the past 16 years, a new poll has found, putting Prime Minister Paul Martin's minority government in serious jeopardy.

The Ipsos-Reid poll, conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail, puts Liberal support at 27 per cent, down 10 points from a mid-February poll. The previous modern low-water mark was in March 1989, when they recorded 29 per cent support under the leadership of John Turner.

The polling was conducted between April 8 and 10. The startling testimony of Jean Brault, a former advertising executive, was made public by the Gomery inquiry on April 7.

"It would appear the recent revelations of the Gomery Commission have strongly resonated with the Canadian public," said an Ipsos-Reid news release.

Here are the figures for all five major parties (February 15-17 results in brackets):

  • Liberals: 27 per cent, -10 (37)
  • Conservatives: 30 per cent, +4 (26)
  • NDP: 19 per cent, +2 (17)
  • Bloc Quebecois: 12 per cent, +2 (10)
  • Greens: 7 per cent, 0 (7)

In Quebec, where the Gomery hearings are the object of intense public interest, the Bloc has 48 per cent support. The sovereigntist party holds a 30-point lead over the Liberals, who are at 18 per cent.

The poll contains more ominous news for Liberals:

  • Because of revelations at the Gomery inquiry, 45 per cent feel the Liberals have lost their moral right to govern, while 52 per cent say they haven't; and 
  • Sixty-five per cent say the Liberals don't deserve re-election and that it's time for another party to govern Canada.

However, 87 per cent agree with the view that the Gomery inquiry should be allowed to complete its investigation of the sponsorship scandal before an election is called. And the poll found 71 per cent of Canadians saying the Gomery commission's findings will only be one of many factors in determining how they vote when the next federal election comes.

So it's going to be a "delicate matter" for the Conservative party to figure out the timing of the Liberal minority government's fall and send Canadians to the polls, said Ipsos-Reid president Darrell Bricker.

"Basically what the Tories have to do is come up with a really good answer as to why (call) an election now. They have to confirm with Canadians that the Gomery commission will continue its work, that it's not going to be affected by an election," Bricker said Tuesday on CTV's Canada AM.

What could be seen as good news for Liberals:

  • A slim majority (52 per cent) thinks the alleged misdeeds are the work of rogue elements within the Liberal party and not the party in general.
  • Forty-eight per cent say they still trust Martin more than Conservative Leader Stephen Harper despite the Gomery commission's revelations; however, 46 per cent disagree with that statement.

"Clearly the government is back on its heels," Bricker told CTV.ca.

While Liberal support is falling, people also don't seem to like the other choices available to them, Bricker said.

Of those polled, 55 per cent say they would never consider voting Liberal in the next election, and 50 per cent claim they would never vote Conservative.

"It's not people running to Stephen Harper as much as it is they're running from the Liberals," he said, adding this was also the pattern during the June 2004 federal election.

And at some point, the focus will turn back to Harper as it did in the 2004 election, "and then we'll see if he learned anything from the last campaign," Bricker said.

The poll also revealed, however, that 46 per cent said they would trust Harper as prime minister, versus 48 per cent for Martin. 

"That Stephen Harper is now seen as relatively equivalent to Paul Martin as prime minister is a huge step up for him."

Regional results

Ontario: Canada's most populous province is a key battleground. The Liberals won 75 of their 135 seats there in 2004. The Tories took 24 Ontario ridings and the NDP seven.

Ontario's 106 seats represent about one-third of Parliament's 308 seats.

The Liberals (34 per cent, -4 points) are virtually tied with the Conservative Party (32 per cent, -2 points), while the NDP (19 per cent, +2 points) and the Green Party (10 per cent, +3 points) trail distantly.

Quebec: The Liberal Party (18 per cent, -11 points) has lost substantially while the Bloc Quebecois (48 per cent, +7 points) has made strong gains . The sovereigntist Bloc now holds a 30-point lead over the Liberals. The Conservative Party (13 per cent, +5 points) gained somewhat, while the NDP (12 per cent, +1 point) and the Green Party (6 per cent, -1 point) have remained stable.

The Bloc elected 54 MPs in Quebec in 2004, while the Liberals elected 21.

British Columbia: The Liberals (24 per cent, -16 points) have fallen sharply, as the NDP gained (34 per cent, +13 points). The Green Party (7 per cent, +3 points) and The Conservative Party (32 per cent, +1 point) have moved up slightly.

In B.C., eight Liberals, 22 Tories, five NDP and one Independent were elected last time.

Alberta: The Liberals (21 per cent, +8 points) continue to trail The Conservative Party (54 per cent, -3 points) by a large margin. The NDP (11 per cent, -6 points), and the Green Party (6 per cent, -6 points) are down somewhat.

In Alberta, two Liberals and 26 Tories were elected in 2004.

Saskatchewan/Manitoba: The NDP (23 per cent, +12 points) have gained while the other major parties have fallen somewhat: The Conservatives (31 per cent, -8 points), the Liberals (30 per cent, -6 points), and the Green Party (4 per cent, -2 points).

Those two prairie provinces sent four Liberals, 20 Conservatives and four NDP MPs to Ottawa last time.

Atlantic Canada: The Conservatives (37 per cent, +4 points) lead the Liberals (33 per cent, -14 points), while the NDP (19 per cent, +9 points) trails. The Green Party (2 per cent, -2 points) barely registers in this region.

There were 22 Liberals, seven Tories and two NDP MPs elected from that region in 2004. <end article

cheers :) majere

Apr 12, 2005 at 01:08 o\clock

Common argument techniques by the ignorant or by the learned trying to manipulate.

by: majere

When arguing with someone in an attempt to get at an answer or an explanation, you may come across a person who makes logical fallacies. Such discussions may prove futile. You might try asking for evidence and independent confirmation or provide other hypothesis that give a better or simpler explanation. If this fails, try to pinpoint the problem of your arguer's position. You might spot the problem of logic that prevents further exploration and attempt to inform your arguer about his fallacy. The following briefly describes some of the most common fallacies:

ad hominem: Latin for "to the man." An arguer who uses ad hominems attacks the person instead of the argument. Whenever an arguer cannot defend his position with evidence, facts or reason, he or she may resort to attacking an opponent either through: labeling, straw man arguments, name calling, offensive remarks and anger.

appeal to ignorance (argumentum ex silentio) appealing to ignorance as evidence for something. (e.g., We have no evidence that God doesn't exist, therefore, he must exist. Or: Because we have no knowledge of alien visitors, that means they do not exist). Ignorance about something says nothing about its existence or non-existence.

argument from omniscience: (e.g., All people believe in something. Everyone knows that.) An arguer would need omniscience to know about everyone's beliefs or disbeliefs or about their knowledge. Beware of words like "all," "everyone," "everything," "absolute."

appeal to faith: (e.g., if you have no faith, you cannot learn) if the arguer relies on faith as the bases of his argument, then you can gain little from further discussion. Faith, by definition, relies on a belief that does not rest on logic or evidence. Faith depends on irrational thought and produces intransigence.

appeal to tradition (similar to the bandwagon fallacy): (e.g., astrology, religion, slavery) just because people practice a tradition, says nothing about its viability.

argument from authority (argumentum ad verecundiam): using the words of an "expert" or authority as the bases of the argument instead of using the logic or evidence that supports an argument. (e.g., Professor so-and-so believes in creation-science.) Simply because an authority makes a claim does not necessarily mean he got it right. If an arguer presents the testimony from an expert, look to see if it accompanies reason and sources of evidence behind it.

argument from adverse consequences: (e.g., We should judge the accused as guilty, otherwise others will commit similar crimes) Just because a repugnant crime or act occurred, does not necessarily mean that a defendant committed the crime or that we should judge him guilty. (Or: disasters occur because God punishes non-believers; therefore, we should all believe in God) Just because calamities or tragedies occur, says nothing about the existence of gods or that we should believe in a certain way.

argumentum ad baculum: An argument based on an appeal to fear or a threat. (e.g., If you don't believe in God, you'll burn in hell)

argumentum ad ignorantiam: A misleading argument used in reliance on people's ignorance.

argumentum ad populum: An argument aimed to sway popular support by appealing to sentimental weakness rather than facts and reasons.

bandwagon fallacy: concluding that an idea has merit simply because many people believe it or practice it. (e.g., Most people believe in a god; therefore, it must prove true.) Simply because many people may believe something says nothing about the fact of that something. For example many people during the Black plague believed that demons caused disease. The number of believers say nothing at all about the cause of disease.

begging the question (or assuming the answer): (e.g., We must encourage our youth to worship God to instill moral behavior.) But does religion and worship actually produce moral behavior?

circular reasoning: stating in one's proposition that which one aims to prove. (e.g. God exists because the Bible says so; the Bible exists because God influenced it.)

composition fallacy: when the conclusion of an argument depends on an erroneous characteristic from parts of something to the whole or vice versa. (e.g., Humans have consciousness and human bodies and brains consist of atoms; therefore, atoms have consciousness. Or: a word processor program consists of many bytes; therefore a byte forms a fraction of a word processor.)

confirmation bias (similar to observational selection): This refers to a form of selective thinking that focuses on evidence that supports what believers already believe while ignoring evidence that refutes their beliefs. Confirmation bias plays a stronger role when people base their beliefs upon faith, tradition and prejudice. For example, if someone believes in the power of prayer, the believer will notice the few "answered" prayers while ignoring the majority of unanswered prayers (which would indicate that prayer has no more value than random chance at worst or a placebo effect, when applied to health effects, at best).

confusion of correlation and causation: (e.g., More men play chess than women, therefore, men make better chess players than women. Or: Children who watch violence on TV tend to act violently when they grow up.) But does television programming cause violence or do violence oriented children prefer to watch violent programs? Perhaps an entirely different reason creates violence not related to television at all. Stephen Jay Gould called the invalid assumption that correlation implies cause as "probably among the two or three most serious and common errors of human reasoning" (The Mismeasure of Man).

excluded middle (or false dichotomy): considering only the extremes. Many people use Aristotelian either/or logic tending to describe in terms of up/down, black/white, true/false, love/hate, etc. (e.g., You either like it or you don't. He either stands guilty or not guilty.) Many times, a continuum occurs between the extremes that people fail to see. The universe also contains many "maybes."

half truths (suppressed evidence): An statement usually intended to deceive that omits some of the facts necessary for an accurate description.

loaded questions: embodies an assumption that, if answered, indicates an implied agreement. (e.g., Have you stopped beating your wife yet?)

meaningless question: (e.g., "How high is up?" "Is everything possible?") "Up" describes a direction, not a measurable entity. If everything proved possible, then the possibility exists for the impossible, a contradiction. Although everything may not prove possible, there may occur an infinite number of possibilities as well as an infinite number of impossibilities. Many meaningless questions include empty words such as "is," "are," "were," "was," "am," "be," or "been."

misunderstanding the nature of statistics: (e.g., the majority of people in the United States die in hospitals, therefore, stay out of them.) "Statistics show that of those who contract the habit of eating, very few survive." -- Wallace Irwin

non sequitur: Latin for "It does not follow." An inference or conclusion that does not follow from established premises or evidence. (e.g., there occured an increase of births during the full moon. Conclusion: full moons cause birth rates to rise.) But does a full moon actually cause more births, or did it occur for other reasons, perhaps from expected statistical variations?

observational selection (similar to confirmation bias): pointing out favorable circumstances while ignoring the unfavorable. Anyone who goes to Las Vegas gambling casinos will see people winning at the tables and slots. The casino managers make sure to install bells and whistles to announce the victors, while the losers never get mentioned. This may lead one to conclude that the chances of winning appear good while in actually just the reverse holds true.

post hoc, ergo propter hoc: Latin for "It happened after, so it was caused by." Similar to a non sequitur, but time dependent. (e.g. She got sick after she visited China, so something in China caused her sickness.) Perhaps her sickness derived from something entirely independent from China.

proving non-existence: when an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

red herring: when the arguer diverts the attention by changing the subject.

reification fallacy: when people treat an abstract belief or hypothetical construct as if it represented a concrete event or physical entity. Examples: IQ tests as an actual measure of intelligence; the concept of race (even though genetic attributes exist), from the chosen combination of attributes or the labeling of a group of people, come from abstract social constructs; Astrology; god(s); Jesus; Santa Claus, etc.

slippery slope: a change in procedure, law, or action, will result in adverse consequences. (e.g., If we allow doctor assisted suicide, then eventually the government will control how we die.) It does not necessarily follow that just because we make changes that a slippery slope will occur.

special pleading: the assertion of new or special matter to offset the opposing party's allegations. A presentation of an argument that emphasizes only a favorable or single aspect of the question at issue. (e.g. How can God create so much suffering in the world? Answer: You have to understand that God moves in mysterious ways and we have no privilege to this knowledge. Or: Horoscopes work, but you have to understand the theory behind it.)

statistics of small numbers: similar to observational selection (e.g., My parents smoked all their lives and they never got cancer. Or: I don't care what others say about Yugos, my Yugo has never had a problem.) Simply because someone can point to a few favorable numbers says nothing about the overall chances.

straw man: creating a false scenario and then attacking it. (e.g., Evolutionists think that everything came about by random chance.) Most evolutionists think in terms of natural selection which may involve incidental elements, but does not depend entirely on random chance. Painting your opponent with false colors only deflects the purpose of the argument.

two wrongs make a right: trying to justify what we did by accusing someone else of doing the same. (e.g. how can you judge my actions when you do exactly the same thing?) The guilt of the accuser has no relevance to the discussion.


Science attempts to apply some of the following criteria:

1) Skepticism of unsupported claims

2) Combination of an open mind with critical thinking

3) Attempts to repeat experimental results.

4) Requires testability

5) Seeks out falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis

6) Uses descriptive language

7) Performs controlled experiments

8) Self-correcting

9) Relies on evidence and reason

10) Makes no claim for absolute or certain knowledge

11) Produces useful knowledge

cheers :) majere
roger m roeder

Apr 11, 2005 at 23:10 o\clock

sick again

by: majere

might not be able to post for a while.....sick again

cheers :) majere

Apr 11, 2005 at 18:16 o\clock

April 11 Ekos Poll for the Toronto Star

by: majere

Ekos Poll done for the Toronto Star Newspaper.

Released - April 11 2005

Libs    25

Cons   36

NDP    21

Bloc  13

Green  5


In Ontario, the "swing province"  according to CANOE

Libs   33   oops

Cons    40  edit  oops

NDP    ??  I guess the NDP still do not count.


FOUR SELECTED POINTS FROM EKOS

1) Graves said "there is little sense of any huge affection for the Conservatives, with voters caught between anger at the Liberals and only tepid enthusiasm for the only serious contender to form a government."

2)It's not just the sponsorship revelations dragging the federal Liberals down in Canada's biggest province, but also the so-called "fair-share" campaign that has pitted Premier Dalton McGuinty's provincial government against Martin's Liberals.

3)When EKOS asked respondents to characterize their view of this current sponsorship controversy, more than a third — 34 per cent — called it "the worst government scandal that I can recall."

Only slightly more, 37 per cent, called it "no worse than other government scandals," reflecting what could be widespread cynicism with politics overall.

Another 22 per cent said this current scandal is worse than other government scandals, but not the worst they could recall. Only 4 per cent called it "not a particularly bad problem."

4)Harper too, also in Rome for Friday's papal funeral, has taken a similar tack, though he did show up at a rally on Parliament Hill against same-sex marriage over the weekend.

His advisers are presumably also seeing internal polling showing a surge in Ontario, which raises some questions about why the Conservative leader would choose this timing to underline a stand that has not traditionally been popular in urban Ontario, where the party needs the votes.  <end Ekos


Looks like the Harperites have some momentum.
A very close Conservative minority.
Harper can't pull the pin until he is sure he has a majority.
Ontario is slowly warming up to the devil they don't know but is bringing a large bag of money to the party.

cheers :)  majere

Apr 11, 2005 at 18:02 o\clock

A sideways look at the Gomery Inquiry......just for a sec

by: majere

The Gomery Inquiry is a Public Inquiry.

It is the Public which is the Judge and Jury.

It is the Public who decides based on what they hear, not Gomery's version, not a Party's version......IT Is a Public inquiry.

We the public decide if and when someone is lying and or guilty....not Gomery, not a political party.

Read......the Libs say wait till Gomery comes out with his results.....why?  If the public knows and hears a witness and decides he is a criminal.....well that is what a public inquiry is.  The public decides witness by witness who is covering their butt and is guilty and who is telling the truth.  The Libs do not want the people to form individual opinions on individual witnessess....its just to damning.  Its the old political ploy of "give it two weeks and the public will have forgotten all about it".

The Cons are saying wait hoping people get pissed enough for the Cons to hopefully have a majority.

The NDP still do not count.

REMEMBER, ITS A PUBLIC INQUIRY AND WE CAN DECIDE  "WHEN" WE WANT.

majere

Apr 11, 2005 at 00:36 o\clock

The devil made me do it......goddamnit

by: majere

Mood: always good, never bad, always sideways when in bed
Listening to: the real story behind noahs ark according to the learning channel

I have come across some readings where one of the contenders for Pope has written that the devil walks amongst us.

This got me thinking.  If he walks, what does he look like?  Does he have two feet like me and blend into a crowd?  Is he walking around as an animal?  Is he a mythical shapeshifter?  Why is he walking around now in the present time versus  500 yrs ago?

Or.....is the possible future Pope just saying that the devil is watching every single person constantly?  Watching one at work, watching one have sex, watching one sneak out of work early, actually watching with eyes wide open as you drink a beer.  Instilling the human emotion of guilt.

Either way I look at it, the devil is just an excuse to pawn away some guilt that us humans feel.

Remember, us as humans on this planet have free will.
Therefore any good we do is our choice.
Therefore any bad we do is our choice.

But Wait......The Pope says that it is the devil that makes us evil on one hand, and on the other hand the Pope says we have free will as given to by God himself.

Ok I say.

The Pope uses the devil to help allay those guilty freely choosen human thoughts and actions.  Have to give those humans an excuse to blame someone or something else.  Heaven forbid the humans actually take responsibility for THEIR actions.

All this leads me to my next thought......what if there is no god or devil but just a supreme being that has allowed for our reality to create itself and has just stepped aside and gone on to some other project?  No afterlife, no judgement of those that some people hate but will not raise a god fearing finger against.

What if religion is just another means of humans dominating other humans for their own gain as in controling people to their way of thinking, their ideals, and trying to shape the world the way they see fit?

Our planet is constantly at war.  Humans trying to dominate other humans to their way of living, their ideals and their morals..............something about a dozen virgins waiting for guy in heaven just does not seem credible to me.  LMAO  How is that for manipulation of ones very ignorant fellow human being?

OH I GET IT NOW......we can praise God for the good things in ones life but have to

JUST BLAME IT ON THE DEVIL if it is contrary to ones religion.

A RELIGIONS VERSION OF BLAMING IT ON SOMEONE ELSE............

cheers everyone, and I mean every human on the planet, and every other life form on other planets....that support them I am sure.

:) majere

Just thought....oh yea if you don't believe in a particular religion, their version of god sends you somewhere that he created where you get the shit kicked out of you after you die.  I guess you can't have a god do the shit kicking......better create someone else to do it.

Pseudoscience and religion relies on some of the following criteria:

1) Has a negative attitude to skepticism

2) Does not require critical thinking

3) Does not require experimental repeatability

4) Does not require tests

5) Does not accept falsifying data that would disprove a hypothesis

6) Uses vague language

7) Relies on anecdotal evidence

8) No self-correction

9) Relies on belief and faith

10) Makes absolute claims

11) Produces no useful knowledge

Apr 10, 2005 at 18:52 o\clock

An example of scientists telling only part of the truth and it grossly misleads the ignorant...From Temple University

by: majere

Mood: very good by choice
Listening to: zoey 101 on one tv. CTV politcal news with Duff Man on another while reading the math behind "limit texas holdem" as I am writing this.

My comments as embedded as "Rog:"

Lowers Body Temparture, Impairs Functions

Rog: A use of general scary terms for an introduction to set the scary mind frame to amplify the writings following.  As well, they are hoping that if one remembers anything, it is the title with a subconciense link to cannabis.  Therefore their writings can be justified.

Scientists have been studying cannabinoids, substances that are chemically related to the ingredients found in marijuana, for more than two decades, hoping to learn more about how the drug produces its effects -- both therapeutic and harmful.

Rog:  Studying cannabinoids, then state studying substances that are chemicaly related...... they are not saying that they studied cannabinoids found IN marijuana, just chemically related.

Marijuana has been reported effective in the treatment of multiple sclerosis, glaucoma, nausea caused by chemotherapy and wasting caused by AIDS. However, like all drugs, it also causes numerous unwanted side effects, including hypothermia, sedation, memory impairment, motor impairment and anxiety. Research on cannabinoids could someday yield new, more effective drugs or drug combinations.

Rog:  they do not state their definition of hypothermia, is it just a .1 of a degree below normal?  Members of the CR Society have a 1 to 2 degree permenant drop in body temperature as a Marker for improved bodily functions.  Sedation is measured how and under what circumstamces, is the sedation an impairment to any human functions and at what level?  Memory impairment measured how?  Motor impairment contradicted by improvement in MS patients as stated prior by them.....contradictory!  Anxiety from which strains versus known strains  that kill anxiety?

At Temple University's School of Pharmacy and Center for Substance Abuse Research (CSAR), one of only a few centers in the nation focused on the basic science of substance abuse, several researchers are investigating how cannabinoids produce pharmacological effects in rats.

Rog:   Here they talk about substance abuse, read alcohol, crack, and then try to associate it with cannabinoid research effects in rats.  The ole psychological association subconsciencely applied.......affects the factually ignorant.

One such study, "L-NAME, a nitric oxide synthase inhibitor, and WIN 55212-2, a cannabinoid agonist, interact to evoke synergistic hypothermia," published in the February 2004 issue of the Journal of Pharmacology and Experimental Therapeutics, reveals how cannabinoids produce one of the drug's most robust actions, hypothermia, or decreased body temperature.

Rog:   They state "one study" which means it has not been duplicated by other researchers.   Once again their definition of hypothermia as in use the most extreme word to exagerate a very insignifacant finding that is along the same parralelled finding.

According to lead author Scott Rawls, Ph.D., assistant professor of pharmacodynamics at Temple's School of Pharmacy, "To operate at maximum efficiency, the body needs to maintain a stable, normal temperature. When the body's temperature is altered, as in hypothermia, normal body functions, such as blood pressure and circulation, are impaired."

Rog:   The CR Society has proven this false on every known  level to science.  A lowered body temperature is a more fuel efficient burner with less fuel required with all bodily functions operating on a more efficient basis, in a nut shell. search their archives for their discussion on the facts.

Marijuana operates via two receptors in the body. One receptor, called CB1, is located in the brain and produces the drug's psychoactive effects, including euphoria and dizziness. The other receptor, CB2, is found throughout the body and impacts the immune system. Substances in marijuana bind to one of these receptors and set off a chemical process that leads to an effect, such as hypothermia. Scientists have focused on this chemical process at the molecular level to pinpoint the exact molecules involved.

Rog:   Now they are saying that it leads to "an effect, such as hypothermia", not hypothermia but an effect like it.   They are trying to mix signals here of the true definition to inspire fear versus the effect (as in the affect of CR Society memebers) to try to add a slight bit of credability.

Knowing that the molecule nitric oxide (NO) plays an important role in the regulation of body temperature, the Temple researchers set out to determine what role it might play in cannabinoid-induced hypothermia. By combining a cannabinoid with a substance that blocked NO synthesis, they found that cannabinoid-induced hypothermia increased more than two-fold.

Rog:   Their definition again of hypothermia please, a miniscule effect times two is still miniscule.  Anybody check out what prescription drugs do to ones temperature.....nope.  Just not newsworthy to scare all those old ignorant sick people who visit the local pharmacy every month for their many prescriptions.

"This demonstrates the possibility that NO plays a part in regulating the impact of cannabinoids on body temperature and other cannabinoid-mediated actions," said Rawls. "These findings could be helpful in determining the mechanisms that underlie some of the pharmacological actions of marijuana," he added.

Rog:    ooooopss now they are saying this only "demonstrates the posssibility". There had to be a way out for them legaly, a cleverly crafted disclaimer in their own study.

Rawls' research team is currently investigating the impact of cannabinoids on other physiological systems, such as analgesia and movement, and the brain neurotransmitters that mediate those systems.

Rog:   ooooohhhh I can hardly wait to see what they research and demonstrate as a possibility next time....ooooohhhhh aaaggghhh.
They are lending credability to their research by stating that they are going to do more research.

Rog:   On a side note, I have personally experienced hypothermia in the military during a winter warfare excercise. Cannabis could never even come close or even have me or anyone  associate with it, even after eating a couple of grams worth of cannabis in cookies.  I always get  no anxiety, movements are not jerky as usuall but fluid, clearer in thought versus only being able to think for 5 to 10 minutes at a time, increased energy, capable of complex thought while otherwise not.

Rog:  Now follow the money.   American Researchers require grant money to pay themselves and get the research done.  Are they just trying to secure their Tenure in an American University?  Publish or Perish, even if its close to garbage but cleverly worded otherwise?

cheers :)  majere

or as Mr. Barth would say, don't listen to me, look at the facts.

Apr 10, 2005 at 04:00 o\clock

Jumping the gun on Quebec seperation........round 2

by: majere

Mood: fiesty
Listening to: UFC on Spike TV

There are only two options if Quebec votes to seperate.

One,
re-conquer them, or

Two,
They keep the Federal infrastructure in their new country of course.
They must immediately issue bonds in their new countries name and pay the 24 to 27 percent of Canadas' debt immediately.

Canada would have to re-issue immediately all bonds at the 73 to 76 percent value with a clause stating that, "see Quebec for the remainder".

Establish border controls.

There are actually ignorant people out there that believe that Quebec can just write an annual cheque just to cover their portion of  Canada's interest debt payments without taking their share with them.  I heard that talk going around last time.  What a laugh.  Not taking their share with them, but saddle the rest of Canada with their debt.........Quebec starting out with no debt??????????  To me that is not tolerable.  Why don't we seperate from them and give them the National debt and just write them a cheque once a year just to cover interest payments?

I also heard talk that they, as in Quebec would own the 25 percent of the remainder of Canadas Federal infrastructure while owning 100 percent of their own as well.  Ignorance abounded in that conversation.  If you can't figure that out, go back to grade six  math class, if you still can't understand it, keep repeating grade six until it sinks in, or ask a fellow student for help.

What more is there, saddle Quebec with their share of the National Debt through a re-issue of Bonds (through Moody's in New York)......Quebec  would cave.  Or civil war if they refuse to re-imburse the rest of Canada.  Why should we hold their now new Countries debt?

Simplistic yes, respect their right and sort it out financially immediately.
Trade etc in the following weeks.

Has Martin thought of this.....yup.....does Martin have any plans in place....nope.

cheers to my friends in Quebec.
majere

Apr 9, 2005 at 16:44 o\clock

Ipsos - Reid Polls latest results.

by: majere

Mood: very good, slept great
Listening to: anything but the royal wedding of two horny old people

Ipsos - Reid Poll latest results as reported in the Globe and Mail

The questioning started on Tuesday April 5.   One fourth of the voters were questioned Thursday night after the Gomery Media Ban was lifted.

Country Wide percentages:

Libs at      34

Cons at    30

NDP  at     15


Ontario Swing Vote Percentages:

Present Time                                         Last Election Results

Libs  at    38                                            Libs  at   45 for  75 seats

Cons at    34                                           Cons at   31 for  24 seats

NDP  at    17                                           NDP  at   18  for   7 seats


Judging by Ontario, the Conservatives should be able to win a minority election with these numbers.

Harper cannot pull the pin.  Under a minority government he would not be able to impliment his right wing ideals.

Maybe thats a good thing.....the other parties taming down the right wing. 

My thoughts are that Harper wants to be the PM with a majority so he can force through Parliament HIS ideals on the Rest of Canada.  If his right wing ideals are along the Bush and Co. right wing ideals, I can look at less rights for my person as a sovereign individual.  Less choice as to what?????  Harper has already stated that Parliament should decide and overrule any Rights Court Decision it does not like.

Well to me, I believe that a government should be striving to increase personal choices, not take them away.

As a side thought,

I would refuse to even answere the door if the Police showed up.  Why?  The ole Knock and Talk to get into ones residance, once you let them one foot in they have the right to go anywhere and look anywhere.  For any of you who do not have a problem with that, why don't you all give the local Police Dept your house keys? 

The only way they get in is with a Warrant.  The only way they talk to me is through a closed door or over the phone.

I am aware of their tactics of using intimidation, lying (yes they are allowed to lie to you to gain information by law) and or  just by being nice and polite.

So for any cops out there who want to visit.......please phone first, or get a Warrant. I already have a hidden video/sound digital nanny cam hidden.  Or, if the Conservatives get into power, my rights will go to hell in a hand basket.

The devil I know is the Liberals.  Their erosion of my rights is slowly but surely, but can be fought in the Courts.  The devil I don't know, the Conservatives are scary, I would not be able to fight for my Rights in the Courts.

cheers and have a good day :) majere

Apr 9, 2005 at 03:09 o\clock

One of my stupid list people, Don Newman wins the Hy Solomon Award

by: majere

Mood: Happy, Boston is winning
Listening to: The Red Sox vs the Blue Jays

Don Newman of CBC Politics (Canada) recieved the Hy Solomon Award representing debate and changes in Public Policy.

Well even after recieving copies (e-mail) of the Krieger Court Order and the Frankel Memo stating that Cannabis is now legal, Don or his boss decided it was not news worthy.  Perhaps it was not of, or fit into the Awards "public policy" criteria.

Hmmmm.  Public policy.......cannabis legal as determined by the Courts and recognized by a senior Crown Prosecutor.   Hmmmmm.........I guess Don Newman got the Award for keeping it out of any Public Policy debates.

Hmmmm.  Legal all across Canada in any and all amounts.  That 30 gram limit the cops state and the media parrot is factually wrong according to the Court Order backed up by the Criminal Code.

Maybe Don or/and his boss are biased towards a benign herbal flower.  Maybe Don and his boss go out after work, get drunk and puke over each other.

Don works for CBC which is a Crown Corporation and works for us Canadians.  Maybe Don being an old gray haired fat white guy is full prejudices where he picks and choses which stories fit his biased beliefs and uses only those stories or questions during interviews.  Perhaps he uses the Delphie Technique like a good moderator to steer the interviewee towards his biases.

He made my stupid list because he could not read about 4 pages of writing and understand it.

I am picturing him on a witness stand lying that he never recieved these e-mails with the due diligence, that maybe his e-mail screener deleted them before he saw them.  Perhaps, he will pawn it off on someone else.   Maybe his PC crashed and he lost his hard drive......anything but take responsibility.

Thats my stupid  Don

cheers :) majere