Udge wrote at Jul 30, 2007 at 22:47 o\clock:Right, the fractal is art because it has no context of usefulness. Give it numbered X and Y axes and refer to it by footnotes in a mathematical text and it ceases to be art.
Diddums wrote at Jul 30, 2007 at 23:01 o\clock:Hmmm.... (ponders).
Pacian wrote at Jul 30, 2007 at 23:19 o\clock:Nicely put.
"There's no need to assume that only a human being can appreciate rhythm, beauty and passion, or that only a human being can cultivate creative skills."
I would also reverse that, and say that we have no need to assume that a human's appreciation of rhythm, beauty and passion don't stem from the same kind of natural instincts as the bird's dance.
Geosomin wrote at Jul 31, 2007 at 03:07 o\clock:I like art that evokes an emotion. Even if it's one of strong dislike, being able to evoke a response form someone would be the height of joy for me if I were an artist. I would agree with Pacian, as there are so many definitions of "art" that I often catch myself going That isn't art...but then I have to remember...it's just not art to me. To me anything that is created by someone with a bit of "them" in it can be art...music, dance...
I'd say more but my pizza just arrived.
Bye:)
Diddums wrote at Jul 31, 2007 at 03:24 o\clock:Pizza? I was just off to bed, and now you've made me all hungry! Does it have black olives on it?
You might be right about that - anything with a bit of input from somebody, presented by that somebody... maybe. I have to say my own ideas of art broadened after thinking about this - it can be hard to consider something fairly abstract or random and realize it's still included.
Pacian, I'm glad you said that about the natural instincts - I had a thought like that winding around when I was writing about sunsets. A sunset in itself wouldn't be art, but it's part of the mainspring of art (or our taste in art... maybe that makes more sense). Right now I would give it all up for that pizza. Hmf.
Snoskred wrote at Jul 31, 2007 at 10:01 o\clock:I sometimes think art can be things that are "ugly", too. It just has to make you think.
Putting this aside for my wrap up - very thought provoking!
Snoskred
http://www.snoskred.org/
Diddums wrote at Aug 1, 2007 at 21:23 o\clock:Thanks, Snoskred - it's made me think as well. I never thought of art as being something that could set out to be ugly deliberately, though a horror film will deliberately set out to horrify! It's food for thought.
The Goldfish wrote at Aug 2, 2007 at 23:13 o\clock:I wanted to leave a comment on this post just to say I enjoyed the discussion. Never found a satisfactory answer myself, but it is always interesting to read other's considered thoughts on the matter.
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"There's no need to assume that only a human being can appreciate rhythm, beauty and passion, or that only a human being can cultivate creative skills."
I would also reverse that, and say that we have no need to assume that a human's appreciation of rhythm, beauty and passion don't stem from the same kind of natural instincts as the bird's dance.
I'd say more but my pizza just arrived.
Bye:)
You might be right about that - anything with a bit of input from somebody, presented by that somebody... maybe. I have to say my own ideas of art broadened after thinking about this - it can be hard to consider something fairly abstract or random and realize it's still included.
Pacian, I'm glad you said that about the natural instincts - I had a thought like that winding around when I was writing about sunsets. A sunset in itself wouldn't be art, but it's part of the mainspring of art (or our taste in art... maybe that makes more sense). Right now I would give it all up for that pizza. Hmf.
Putting this aside for my wrap up - very thought provoking!
Snoskred
http://www.snoskred.org/